HDRI or light looses material texture from certain angle.
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Hi thought-priest,
The Dome-Light is a convenient approach to the HDRI concept. It is "infinite" as each equirectangular (360ºx180º) image with a matching light dynamic of the surround is only true in the center of the Sphere (or Dome). The Sphere (or Dome) must be very large to avoid distortion when a (reflective) object moves. In your scene, we do not have animation. Hence, the Sphere can be smaller. The tiny size I chose here will not "reflect" (literally!) the reality of the surroundings with any camera settings, but you wanted to have details on every item.
The reflection of the object is the key for Multi-Pass Compositing (the technique that requires the AOVs); if the reflection of this source is the only information you need of a pass (AOV), then shut every light source off, even Global Illumination, and render the reflection from this Sphere. This needs to be used in Add blend mode in the Multi-Pass Compositing. At least in the past quarter century, that has worked for me in that way.
The Sphere with a material in the Emmision is the classic HDRI light for global illumination. It is effective and light for Global Illumination but not understood as such in AOVs. However, metal doesn't receive light (the dirt on it might) when you see the reflection of the light sources.
The key feature in the provided Sphere was mainly to get an option to bring it very close and scale it on the axis until it provided a better fit to the problem areas. This is for this case only and might need adjustments for others.
In the past, there was even a system with low-res HDRI material for the illumination and a second set up low-dynamic for the reflection but high-res. This never worked, as reflections, especially with Depth of Field and the resulting Bokeh, missed the typical "blooming." Hence, it is no longer in use, AFAIK. Besides many other problems, low-dynamic images have either tone mapping applied or clipped areas, which typically renders them useless from the start.
I share so much because I have the impression you like to provide high-end images, and that needs some exploration, typically case by case.
Enjoy
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So there is no way to include an object like that Sphere as a separate pass in EXR? I would have to render completely separate, turning everything off, except for that Sphere layer?
Right now, I have all lights in their own AOV passes and export into single EXR.
I'm a compositor myself, C4D is the new learning curve...I also have a question. I know I'm dealing with highly reflective materials, but if I have multiple gold object in the scene, they create very "unpleasant" reflections. They seem to look too much 3D. The reflections/refractions bounce off each-other and it looks too messy. Its just too much detail.
I don't know if I need to adjust Redshift settings (image attached), or materials (but then I'll loose my gold look)
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Hi thought-priest,
Try a smaple rate of 0.1 to compare if that is the problem. Yours was pretty small.
You write in a contradiction way if I get this right. Let's try to solve that.
Since I write in a forum, I surely will share what you might know for long, but I need this preamble to move on:
What looks right is not something that exists on an absolute level.
As artists, we observe and explore how visuals work on our audience. The main term here is conditioning. Not to start a long discussion; this is not the place for it, but what we consider reality is often a mix of impressions. As a trained artist, one has to recognize and lift these conditionings.
Since that is not fully possible, we rely on a mix of facts and individual impressions, both of what we think is real and of what our audience might buy as real.
For example, suppose a kid has only had artificially flavored strawberry ice cream so far while the artificial flavor is maximized. First contact with ice cream based on real strawberries might make the kid wonder what that is.So, what I think looks like Gold and what you have in mind might not match, but perhaps it does…
The question would be, what references do you have, and what is the difference between them?
Often, we have seen more images of something than the visual directly, e.g., explosions in space.
There is a difference between Hyper-real, Photoreal, and real. What is it that you are after?
I cringe when artists take reference images from the web. Why? Because it is not clear what process they used. Worse, Xero's request for noise is the result.Perhaps if it is photoreal, what does the glass in the lens create from the highlights, what artifacts are produced, and is that what we believe Gold looks like? Do you miss the Depth Og field in it, or the little imperfections that limit the reflections while keeping them sharp as an impression?
Similar to that is the idea of what is filmic. I have heard uncounted theories over the past decades.
In short, to get where you want to be is an arti direction call. Can you write it down without any constraints? In a log line.
Visual result in a render (while technical information, e.g., Puzzle Matte can be different)
The Sphere is set to be only visible in reflections, so no AOV shows the Sphere itself. If you could see it, you would see it from the outside—not useful, of course.
This means you have to set up a node system that shows only the front site. (Since I have flipped the Normals of the Sphere, inside is outside.) But even then, if it is visible during the rendering, a simple mask/alpha would allow you to separate it. If you don't want to see it, you can have it in one go.
https://help.maxon.net/r3d/cinema/en-us/Default.htm#html/Ray+Switch.html?TocPath=Shaders%257CUtility%2520Shaders%257C_____14The result of the object's reflection is an AOV.
Perhaps you need to set up the Gold differently
https://help.maxon.net/r3d/cinema/en-us/Default.htm#html/IOR_To_Metal_Tints.html?TocPath=Shaders%257CUtility%2520Shaders%257C_____7Consider post-production, and get some depth passes to vary the effect along Z. Render one with reflection Roughness and one without, then use the Depth Pass to blur the difference between the two.
Or explore the Post effect Bloom, it adds "light" to the scene and tames the contrast of the reflections in that way.
Have a great weekend
