CINEVERSITY

Gunius! That works great, thanks for that, again I never would have thought of that!

One quick question though, I've tried to recreate this but I've noticed the particles are intersecting. Especially around the edges of the heart shape as you can see from the attached screenshots from your project file (Seen in the closeup too).

Is there a way to increase the accuracy of paricle interactions without using rigid body which will remove the liquid look? I tried increasing substeps and collision passes, iterations, but it doesnt seem to have any effect on the particles.

Screenshots: https://we.tl/t-7uEgI9516A

Thanks again

Thank you for your kind feedback, David. 🙂

My best wishes!

Hi charity-chance,

All I got was that something is not working anymore. Not OK, I get that.

The Bullet Dynamic System has not changed lately, no change to my knowledge.

The Simulation System is newer and introduced over the past years in increments, creating the base for many new options, developed to allow for a holistic VFX work.

You have made up your mind and are going with Blender, noted. I encourage you to explore this option, so you know if that is a better fit for you, as you are obviously not happy with our offerings. Your posts so far expressing to 50% upset in a way that I have address before, I understand that you need to move.

As a side note, you're always welcome back, never hesitate to ask any question that could level the upset you feel right now. (Not a cooperation rubber-stamp, I surely know how that feels, and I have run in those situations with 3rd party apps in the past 30 years more than often myself.)

My best wishes for your future.

Hi shoot-laugh,

Perhaps you need to switch something off after caching, which overwrites or influences the movement. Example: Do you have an Attractor working? To not ask endlessly and waste your time, I like to explore a project file instead.

As you wrote, they do not move smooth, what I need is a project file. Leave the cache out, and anything that is not part of the problem, so the file is below 1MB. If larger, please use Google (WeTransfer, Dropbox, or Adobe and Apple cloud services are fine too, others I don't touch).

All the best

Hi Andy

Thank you very much for your sharing.

The most difficult part for me -so far- is the short connection between the Swivel Hook and the Snap-Lock. I checked Cloth and Soft Body while placing them in one exploration, even a Spring between them to avoid stretching.

There is always that feeling that I miss something, like caching the heaviest part (snap-lock) and letting the other part follow.

Thanks for your patience, while the impression is "It is just a simple lanyard", it might feel like it should be a too it in simulation and done. So far, only a few combined setups have had that complexity here in the forum in the past two decades.

I have not given up.

I know that Noseman and I have bounced ideas in the past, and he is excellent! Perhaps submit the question also to him, for our tomorrow's Ask The Trainer Show:
Question submission option
https://www.maxon.net/en/thanks-for-joining-our-livestream

Cheers

Thank you very much, Dutchbird.

I miss this single default option as well.
Very nice of you!

Have a great day

Great, thank you, MaverickMongoose, for your reply!

I'm glad this works for your project!

Enjoy!

You're very welcome, MaverickMongoose.

If you find a problem, please mention it in a ticket, so it can be worked on.
https://www.maxon.net/en/support-center

Thanks for sharing your findings.

Cheers

All the best

Hi Mark,

Thank you for that. Doing that for a while now - Yes, I understand the time constrain. The idea of using a tool to create visuals for many purposes should be fun and easy, yet there is a certain amount of time spent dealing with technicalities.

As an artist, I know: Those things cost time, and if I may say so, Cinema 4D is designed to provide solid technology, while aiming to keep the time to become fluent with it those more conceptual items short.

As an educator, I try to provide Mental Models (ideally have those grow and connect, blended) or at least hope to activate existing models, which is not simple with text, as the dominant skill is visual. However, the dual coding of text and visuals (project files, for example) is a good option to keep what is learned (retention). In short, thanks for your lines above.

Enjoy the exploration and the final result!

Thank you, Dutchbird,

There is a vast number of things that can be customized directly or in cobination, and I'm not aware what will survive and what not. How stable the app is after loading old files in, I can't tell.
I hope you have no problems.

My best wishes

Hi spot-target,

Here is a 2026.0 file. I use the RS Render View and move the time slider.
CV4_2026_drs_25_RScl_01.c4d

Screenshot 2025-09-13 at 10.53.52 AM.jpg

I assume you have explored this already, but for anyone reading along:
https://help.maxon.net/c4d/en-us/Default.htm#html/ORSCLOUD.html#40e709fe906e491c815b0c1a6d8090ed

Enjoy your weekend

Hi Mike,

Thanks for the reply, and you're very welcome.

This is good to know. I can't find an entry for this problem, or perhaps I searched not well enough.

Either way, I'm glad there is awareness and progress.

Have a great weekend.

Thank you very much, Balakay612!

Yes, first of all, thanks for providing an image, and for understanding that the variety of the sources creating the problem can be rather large. Not that I know all the answers, who does (?), but I'm aware that each problem has that individual mix.

I try to avoid exposing you to a guessing marathon, which can go on forever with no results, perhaps.

My best wishes for your project

Hi bet-beach,

Here is an idea: to take the Vertex (Vertex Color Give) information from a small portion (Vertex. Color Share) and provide it back with a "blur" to a new one (Vertex Color Get).

The Broom (Vertex Color Share) has a lower Decay setting, to update its information as the broom (Vertex Color Share) moves, while the Vertex Color Get has a 100% decay setting, to keep the changes.

Ideally, the source would be separate, to follow a top-down process in the Object Manager, but I assume it works just fine here.
Example
https://projectfiles.maxon.net/Cineversity_Forum_Support/2025_PROJECTS_DRS/20250912_CV4_2025_drs_25_PAcm_41.c4d.zip

Screenshot 2025-09-12 at 11.50.55 AM.jpg

Enjoy

Hi MaverickMongoose,

Thanks for the reply

Yes, from your perspective, but sometimes it might be useful to have the initial state as well.
I agree that the decision should be a checkbox and not require extra steps.

Enjoy your project

Hi David,

You're very welcome, and thanks for the reply.

A lot of information about Polygons are here:
https://help.maxon.net/c4d/2025/en-us/Default.htm#html/DMODELING-MESH_CHECK.html#MESH_CHECK_POLY

Call up a Polygon Object, set one side to 0cm, press "c", and check it. That is a bad polygon 😉 , often they are just produced with no influence to the visual results. IF so, you can select those with the Mesh Checker, and delete them.

Since there is typically no scene information on how they should be done correctly, repairing is a artist decision, not based on rules (DTDT, do-this-do-that).

I hope that helps a little.

Enjoy your weekend

Hi Dylanplsss,

Here is a simplified idea.

In short, the "taiyaki" doesn't come out of the machine; it is already in the Holder, but up and invisible. Then becomes visible and last will move into the Holder.

Please have a look here:
CV4_2025_drs_25_MGan_01.c4d

This works by defining three states. At the same time, blending those in the Cloner.

To trigger the change, go to Cloner > Clones > Blend, and then Plain Effector > Parameter > Modify Clone.

This moves the "taiyaki" as well, which can be adjusted (in the example the Sphere - taiyaki's proxy) is different in P.Z. So it feels like falling straight down.
This P.Z setting depends the hight from start to arival in the holder. I found it easy to adjust when a huge number of clones is created.
Screenshot 2025-09-06 at 12.10.01 PM.jpg
I have animated the process to showcase it:
CV4_2025_drs_25_MGan_02.c4d
On frame zero, change one of the four (yes, I changed the number to demo the workings more clearly) P.Z values to see how it change.

However, it avoids many minor details that would be necessary to synchronize such motions.

Enjoy your Weekend

Thank you for your input and reply, atomician.
Enjoy your project.

My best wishes

Thank you very much for your tremendous patience and understanding, draft-buddy.

Your input has lead to a report, and I hope it is solved quickly, without your input… So, thank you.

My best wishes for your project.
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