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    history-growth last edited by Feb 10, 2025, 2:52 PM

    Hi everyone,
    I'm looking to create a squiggly shape from a single spline bending and twisting. For this I need a even and uniform UVW on this object.

    My question is: what's the best way to create a uniform UVW on this sort of object?
    When I create a (hand drawn) spline in the shape I want and render it with a Sweep giving me round caps on both ends it tends to make the ends much denser compared to the rest of the spline.

    Also tried generating a stright spline which I deformed with a Spline Wrap without any success.

    Any ideas?

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    • Dr. Sassi
      Dr. Sassi last edited by Feb 10, 2025, 9:19 PM

      Hi history-growth,

      The UV(W) is based on the Intermediate points, whereby both, the spline and profile create the mix of the mesh, which in return produces the UV information.

      The hand drawn spline can be converted with the MoSpline into a evenly distribution of the points that shape the spline.
      https://help.maxon.net/c4d/en-us/?_gl=1j0ezln_gcl_au*ODUxNzQxMTg4LjE3MzIyMTg0NDU.#html/OMOSPLINE-MGMOSPLINEOBJECT_GROUP_SPLINE.html?TocPath=MoGraph%257CAdditional%2520Objects%257CMoSpline%257C_____7

      The simplest way would be to use the Remesh object and take it from there.
      https://help.maxon.net/c4d/en-us/?_gl=1j0ezln_gcl_au*ODUxNzQxMTg4LjE3MzIyMTg0NDU.#html/OREMESH.html

      The UV-Peeler comes to mind.
      https://help.maxon.net/c4d/en-us/?_gl=1j0ezln_gcl_au*ODUxNzQxMTg4LjE3MzIyMTg0NDU.#html/XUVPEELERTOOL.html

      Either way, if you can share a file, then we have a common ground for the exploration, and not just sugestions and guesses.

      Cheers

      Dr. Sassi Sassmannshausen Ph.D.
      Senior Trainer, Maxon Master Trainer, L&D - Strategist
      Cinema 4D mentor since 2004, Member of VES, DCS.

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      • H
        history-growth last edited by Feb 11, 2025, 10:35 AM

        Hi Dr Sassi!

        Thank you for the reply.
        Here you can find the rnd file: https://www.dropbox.com/scl/fi/u992fksalrtm1er068wob/Spline-RND-01.c4d?rlkey=8849mir6m25ivgfv9xovicxjz&dl=0

        What I'm trying to achieve is a coherent mapping of the gradient throughout the entire spline including the caps.
        Is it possible?

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        • Dr. Sassi
          Dr. Sassi last edited by Dr. Sassi Feb 11, 2025, 10:17 PM Feb 11, 2025, 10:14 PM

          Thank you so much for the file, history-growth.

          It clearly shows the difference in what I got from the words above.

          The clear answer is: no, in that extreme setup with all the super tight/overlapping areas, while the opposite side is stretching wildly.

          Caps are a problem, as they change with changing parameters.

          Anyway, there should always be PlanB. How about using a straight Shape, coloring it with a Vertex Map, and then bringing it into shape with a Spline Wrap? Yes, it's not the same shape, but since you squiggly shape and mentioned RND, I looked into this option.

          CV4_2025_drs_25_RScw_01.c4d

          The second idea is to ignore the Sweep again and use a Cloner and a Sphere while reproducing the shape in the best way.

          CV4_2025_drs_25_RScw_11.c4d

          I had that question about Caps and the main body many years ago. With the Standard materials, I used an Xpresso setup to take the first and last Color from the gradient and apply it via XPresso to other materials to color the caps. Sadly, for some reason, we had to shut down the past Forums, and in this fourth installment of the forum since 2006, I do not have any access any longer to the content. But we are now in Redshift, and there, this XPresso option is not a given as it was with the simple Standard materials.

          Please have a look at the file; perhaps it works for you. The Spline Warp has some animatable features! If the Cloner works for the animation, it is not clear to me, based on not knowing what aesthetic you are after, but if you add some transparency to the material, it might work, if the clone count is reduced if the length is reduced.

          Screenshot 2025-02-11 at 1.49.57 PM.jpg

          Cheers

          Dr. Sassi Sassmannshausen Ph.D.
          Senior Trainer, Maxon Master Trainer, L&D - Strategist
          Cinema 4D mentor since 2004, Member of VES, DCS.

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          • Dr. Sassi
            Dr. Sassi last edited by Dr. Sassi Feb 12, 2025, 6:55 AM Feb 12, 2025, 6:04 AM

            One more, history-growth,

            With a little more time, I found hopefully the easiest way to use any spline to get into the shape you are after.
            The key is to use the Spline as a "gradient" but apply the color to a thinner version first, as the shape intersects. Then Thicken the object and have clean colors in one go. (Thicken the Shell and Start Cap can be off)

            CV4_2025_drs_25_RSvg_01.c4d

            CV4_2025_drs_25_RSvg_01small.jpg

            Or the Jeff Koons version 😉 … kind of.

            CV4_2025_drs_25_RSvg_02small.jpg

            Of course, it should be animatable.
            CV4_2025_drs_25_RSvg_11.c4d
            Squeezing the Ramp while animating
            CV4_2025_drs_25_RSvg_12.c4d

            Fingers crossed that will work for your project.

            Dr. Sassi Sassmannshausen Ph.D.
            Senior Trainer, Maxon Master Trainer, L&D - Strategist
            Cinema 4D mentor since 2004, Member of VES, DCS.

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            • H
              history-growth last edited by Feb 12, 2025, 10:37 AM

              interesting technique! Using a Vertex Map with the Spline as input was a clever way of extracting the data needed, great.
              Are you using the MoSpline to animate the Spline, is that what it's for?

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              • Dr. Sassi
                Dr. Sassi last edited by Feb 12, 2025, 6:52 PM

                Thank you very much for the feedback, history-growth.

                Yes, the MoSpline can take a Spline and convert it in many ways.
                Animate the length would be one, optimizing or just changing the point amount or distribution another.

                I also used the length-changing "Destination-Spline" in the Vertex map when the Gradient (Ramp) should always be fully visible.

                My best wishes for your project.

                Dr. Sassi Sassmannshausen Ph.D.
                Senior Trainer, Maxon Master Trainer, L&D - Strategist
                Cinema 4D mentor since 2004, Member of VES, DCS.

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                • H
                  history-growth last edited by Feb 13, 2025, 12:58 PM

                  Great. Thank you for your expertise.

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                  • Dr. Sassi
                    Dr. Sassi last edited by Feb 13, 2025, 6:00 PM

                    You're very welcome, history-growth.

                    This was fun, as usual.

                    My best wishes for your project.

                    Dr. Sassi Sassmannshausen Ph.D.
                    Senior Trainer, Maxon Master Trainer, L&D - Strategist
                    Cinema 4D mentor since 2004, Member of VES, DCS.

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