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    meshman last edited by Dr. Sassi Feb 28, 2023, 6:24 AM Feb 26, 2023, 10:30 PM

    While testing basic Scene Node workflow I noticed a difference between the standard "Classic" rotations and Nodal Object matrix rotations. The Heading & Pitch parameters seem to be swapped. The attached image tries to show this with Null objects, both classic and node based.

    I know the Nodal system is under heavy development, but can anyone explain the logic behind this nodal object rotation functionality?

    Thank you.

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      Dr. Sassi last edited by Feb 28, 2023, 6:23 AM

      Hi meshman,

      The Matrix by itself is just a group of a few vectors. The first three describe the position, and the other nine define each time three vectors with three "sub-vectors". All of that is ist based on the length of these 12 vectors. The Matrix has no concept of Head, Pan, and Bank (HPB)

      The Standard Null Object has, for simplicity, to use it.
      https://help.maxon.net/c4d/en-us/#html/NET_MAXON_NODE_COMPOSEMATRIX.html?TocPath=Node%2520Editor%257CIndividual%2520Assets%257CMath%257CCompose%2520Matrix%257C_____0

      Or here.
      https://help.maxon.net/c4d/en-us/#html/5829.html#nodedarstellung

      The channels in the Timeline are not labeled to reflect that, as it would be confusing when the Rotation order would change, and then the naming and all values would need to be changed. That is not a given.

      Perhaps check with Tech Support, to get a second opinion, if consider that a problem or not how it should be.
      https://www.maxon.net/en/support-center

      The node system is, so far, my impression, more of a developer platform for capsules and such. Solid knowledge like HBP v Matrix and why rotation order matters are expected. Again, that is my personal view.

      All the best

      Dr. Sassi Sassmannshausen Ph.D.
      Senior Trainer, Maxon Master Trainer, L&D - Strategist
      Cinema 4D mentor since 2004, Member of VES, DCS.

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