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        appointment-insect last edited by

        Thanks for the awesome tutorial. However, since upgrading to 2023.2.0, I have a completely different result when creating even the most basic explosions. Following exactly on my M1 mac Studio (Monterrey), I was just around the 2:30 mark in the tutorial when my pyro looks completely different. Very boxy, not resembling the explosion at all. Indeed, on older versions, I think Pyro was very similar to Aharon's results.

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          appointment-insect last edited by

          Pyro2023.2 small.jpg
          I couldn't upload a large enough file here, but there are no wispy tendrals, just boxes of fire and boxes of smoke.
          These are both after the 2:30 mark, with no changes in the tutorial other than C4D version.

          Tutorial_Example_Small.jpg

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            Dr. Sassi last edited by Dr. Sassi

            Hi appointment-insect,

            This is not fun, I agree. Sorry about that. I have spent a while trying to find a quick fix for you, but I get a similar result on an M1 Max here. I have compared it with several 2023 versions and can confirm your findings.

            I have asked the admin team to check if we have the file somewhere, but sadly we need to get it from Aharon directly. This needs to go through the admin team for various reasons.

            I followed the tutorial this afternoon to the point, but even then, it was different while using the same build.

            The only quick note I would share is that Dissipation and Velocity might be the first place to look.

            Regarding the color shift, could it be that one is set to sRGB and the other one uses ACES? At least, that is my fastest way to reproduce it here.

            This will not be my last post about that. But for now, I will wait for the file and, perhaps next week, ask a few friends here what happen.

            I hope you enjoy your weekend.
            Cheers

            Pyro_diff_500px.jpg

            Dr. Sassi Sassmannshausen Ph.D.
            Senior Trainer, Maxon Master Trainer
            Cinema 4D mentor since 2004, Member of VES, DCS.

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              Dr. Sassi last edited by Dr. Sassi

              P.S.: Here is a little example with 2023.2.1

              CV4_2023_drs_23_SIsw_04.c4d

              Enjoy

              Dr. Sassi Sassmannshausen Ph.D.
              Senior Trainer, Maxon Master Trainer
              Cinema 4D mentor since 2004, Member of VES, DCS.

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                appointment-insect last edited by

                Thanks for sending it over. I was waiting to upgrade to 2023.2.1, because I had gone through quite a bit to a get a 3rd party plugin, HOT4D to build and was worried it would break it. I will see if I can update an extra computer and check this out. Please allow me to respond again.

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                • Dr. Sassi
                  Dr. Sassi last edited by

                  Thanks for the feedback, appointment-insect.

                  You should be able to log into a different Computer with the Maxon App. If there are any problems with the Maxon App, check with tech support.

                  Fingers crossed you get this working.

                  Dr. Sassi Sassmannshausen Ph.D.
                  Senior Trainer, Maxon Master Trainer
                  Cinema 4D mentor since 2004, Member of VES, DCS.

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                    appointment-insect last edited by

                    I was able to get the 2023.2.1 working on one of the other Mac Studios in the lab. It is also running RS 3.5.15. I pulled in your example project. I really appreciate the help, but I still struggle to see that the explosion resembles the tutorial. The viscous and rippling nature of the tutorial's pyro (even at 2:30 in) is just so much more natural.
                    There is now a controllable Noise category which defines the shape of the emission's source. Previously this may have been handled (I assume) "under the hood" meaning that the noise was setup with some parameters by default. Can I set the new noise parameters to the previously (internal) settings so as to match behavior? Can I know what those settings were so as to not only recreate the previous behavior, but understand how the controls affect the system now?

                    Were you able to get the example file from Aaron?
                    Pyro_Frame16_S.jpg

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                      appointment-insect @Dr. Sassi last edited by

                      @Dr-Sassi Thanks again for working through this problem. I want so much to expand our use of the Cineversity Tutorials in my program at school. I discussed with Tech support, and they said they were reporting the variations between older versions and the new versions as a bug to tackle. They appreciated the inclusion of a scene file and detailed descriptions. Pyro is the most exciting tool I have used in a quite a while.

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                      • Dr. Sassi
                        Dr. Sassi last edited by

                        Hi appointment-insect,

                        I have asked for the file, no reply so far.

                        We had a meeting this morning, and I had placed my question last night, but as you can guess, with the tech support's reply: no workaround, like telling use this setting, or this parameter needs to be 2X.

                        If you send anything to a render farm, make sure they have the exact same version running!

                        So sorry to make you wait.

                        Fingers crossed, it will be addressed in no time.

                        Cheers

                        Dr. Sassi Sassmannshausen Ph.D.
                        Senior Trainer, Maxon Master Trainer
                        Cinema 4D mentor since 2004, Member of VES, DCS.

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