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Hi jeffrey-wright,

I have removed the questionable hashtag. This kind of language or attitude is not wanted or appreciated here. If you need it, find a different place. We have people from all age groups and backgrounds, so that is not an option.

If you like to communicate in this language, find a place that likes this non-professional tone.

So, with that hopefully being history, let's move on.

Centering the Axis to the Parent works as it should, but not in combination with the "Enable Axis Modification" active. Yes, it moves the whole object as well. But the undo leaves the Axis in this setting at the Parent's location while the points go back, which sounds like what I understand about your request.

The Axis of an object is the "reference" of all points for that object. This means that they are local positions, not global ones. With this, animations are stored, or values are taken in many ways.

The function you need would not take of those cases.

Since you need this function, please use the link below and "

Share Your Idea" with Maxon directly.
https://www.maxon.net/en/support-center

My tip would be to use the Enable Axis function, then use snapping and move the Axis to the Parent. Disable snapping after it. (Also, here, if, for example, Point Level Animation is applied, then the whole object will move.

This brings me to the alternative: Use a Null object under the Parernt, reset the PSR, and then place the polygon object under that new Null object. This method leaves all animations intact and works without problems.

If you have a specific reason to need that, please share, and I will look to see if there is a way, or file a request report.

My best wishes.

P.S.: Here is an XPresso example

CV4_2023_drs_23_ANar_21.c4d

The Multiply Node is for speed adjustments.

BTW.: No keyframes needed!

Have fun

Hi meshman,

The Matrix by itself is just a group of a few vectors. The first three describe the position, and the other nine define each time three vectors with three "sub-vectors". All of that is ist based on the length of these 12 vectors. The Matrix has no concept of Head, Pan, and Bank (HPB)

The Standard Null Object has, for simplicity, to use it.
https://help.maxon.net/c4d/en-us/#html/NET_MAXON_NODE_COMPOSEMATRIX.html?TocPath=Node%2520Editor%257CIndividual%2520Assets%257CMath%257CCompose%2520Matrix%257C_____0

Or here.
https://help.maxon.net/c4d/en-us/#html/5829.html#nodedarstellung

The channels in the Timeline are not labeled to reflect that, as it would be confusing when the Rotation order would change, and then the naming and all values would need to be changed. That is not a given.

Perhaps check with Tech Support, to get a second opinion, if consider that a problem or not how it should be.
https://www.maxon.net/en/support-center

The node system is, so far, my impression, more of a developer platform for capsules and such. Solid knowledge like HBP v Matrix and why rotation order matters are expected. Again, that is my personal view.

All the best

Thanks for clearing it up, Larson Monkey; I searched for an Axis option inside the import options (hence my screen-shot) and even went back a few releases, just in case something would have changed.

The Axis Center's settings will be used for the Command "Center Axis To…".
To my understanding, it will not change the Instance object, but if you select "Use All Objects" in the Axis Center, it will affect the content of the Instance Object. I am not sure if that is the outcome you like to have. As the axis of the Instance Object is used then as an origin. I hope I got your question right. The Instance Object Axis manipulated by instanced points will change, but at that moment, move their content with them. So, if you use that Command again, the new position of the points, edges, or polygons will be used to position it. That can get messy.

From what I got, the All Object option in Axis Center will do that for you, but I'm unclear if the result will be to your liking.

Cheers