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      schnoidl last edited by

      ok, thank you. I am still tweaking the weighting, so will hold off making editable. my Eyes are still lagging, what is the proper way to constrain them? that can be my single topic ; )

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      • Dr. Sassi
        Dr. Sassi last edited by

        Enjoy your project, schnoidl.

        Cheers

        Dr. Sassi Sassmannshausen Ph.D.
        Senior Trainer, Maxon Master Trainer, L&D - Strategist
        Cinema 4D mentor since 2004, Member of VES, DCS.

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          schnoidl last edited by

          Screenshot 2024-09-17 at 22.37.43.png

          well i mostly am except it keeps doing this...

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            schnoidl last edited by

            my animation is taking place in a file with an XRef. I made that editable, then made the Character Object editable. Still the eyes are lagging. The joints are aim constrainted to the L/R targets, which are parented to a main target, which is a child of an overall null called EyeRig, which is parent constrained to Head Controller, or Head Joint, neither of which works. should the joints be more directly constrained to the Head Joint somehow? I just tried adding a second constraint tag to them, parenting to head joint...still lagging. sorry, i don't get it.

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              schnoidl last edited by

              could it be some kind of expression priority?

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              • Dr. Sassi
                Dr. Sassi last edited by

                Hi schnoidl,

                Please share more data; I can think of many combinations of XRef and characters being animated.

                Here, I placed the character into a scene via XRef and moved the character, all fine.
                https://stcineversityprod02.blob.core.windows.net/$web/Cineversity_Forum_Support/2024_Clips_DRS/20240917_XREF_Eye_no_delay.mp4

                I later animated the head and eyes, and there were no problems in the XRef.

                What exactly do you like to achieve? Please share details, as I can't see your results. But also, seeing "eyes out of head" images do not tell me much, I take your word for it, it is the same data. Describe what you do and where. Thank you.

                Cheers

                Dr. Sassi Sassmannshausen Ph.D.
                Senior Trainer, Maxon Master Trainer, L&D - Strategist
                Cinema 4D mentor since 2004, Member of VES, DCS.

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                  schnoidl last edited by

                  well that's absolutely maddening.

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                    schnoidl last edited by

                    i opened the EyeRig.c4d file, and it seems to respond to animation ok.

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                      schnoidl last edited by

                      maybe the XRef is breaking, I guess i will just try to go with the rig as is, and import it directly, not XRef...argggh. already did some animation

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                        schnoidl last edited by

                        it might have been some XRef connection, I finalized the rigging on the character and brought it directly into a scene, seems to be working fine. MOVING ON...

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                        • Dr. Sassi
                          Dr. Sassi last edited by

                          Thanks for the updates, schnoidl.

                          I had hoped for more workable details to understand what you want to do, but the last four posts have not included this information.

                          Good luck!

                          Dr. Sassi Sassmannshausen Ph.D.
                          Senior Trainer, Maxon Master Trainer, L&D - Strategist
                          Cinema 4D mentor since 2004, Member of VES, DCS.

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                            schnoidl last edited by

                            what i want to do? i'm just moving the head, I want the eyes to follow. somehow the eyes are a frame behind here and there. I was using XRefs to the model but it doesn't seem to like that. Where i just merged a copy of the model into the file (no reference) it seems to mostly work, but not 100%.

                            my joints are aim-constrained to their targets, which are un-constrained children of a main eye controller, which is an unconstrained child of a null called Eye Rig, which is then constrained to HeadCon+. It seems like the joints should be more directly constrained to the Head but i can't figure out what that requires.

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                            • Dr. Sassi
                              Dr. Sassi last edited by Dr. Sassi

                              Hi schnoidl,

                              Here is the file, then a project with an XRef that uses that file and a screenshot showing how I can see it. You need to place the textures into the tex folder before opening it.
                              https://stcineversityprod02.blob.core.windows.net/$web/Cineversity_Forum_Support/2024_PROJECTS_DRS/20240918_CV4_2025_drs_24_CAed_01.zip

                              You had two sets of eyes in it, but you never mentioned it or explained why you added those. I used one pair only.

                              If that is not working, please check with tech support:
                              https://www.maxon.net/en/support-center

                              I can't reproduce the problem.

                              My best wishes

                              Dr. Sassi Sassmannshausen Ph.D.
                              Senior Trainer, Maxon Master Trainer, L&D - Strategist
                              Cinema 4D mentor since 2004, Member of VES, DCS.

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                                schnoidl last edited by

                                ok thanks very much for trying

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                                • Dr. Sassi
                                  Dr. Sassi last edited by

                                  Hi schnoidl,

                                  You're welcome, no feedback or anything if the files work on your side. No worries I hope you have more progress with tech support.

                                  Cheers

                                  Dr. Sassi Sassmannshausen Ph.D.
                                  Senior Trainer, Maxon Master Trainer, L&D - Strategist
                                  Cinema 4D mentor since 2004, Member of VES, DCS.

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                                    schnoidl last edited by

                                    hi, was too much in a crunch for deadline, will have a look, thanks

                                    i am going to open a ticket with tech support. if you'd like to have a look at my file that's bugging out the eyes, here is a reduced version with no textures. see frame 111.

                                    https://we.tl/t-8yaJRKvptm

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                                      schnoidl last edited by

                                      yeah, your movie looks great! wish i could do that ; )

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                                        schnoidl last edited by

                                        tech support for the win...and just like that IT WORKS, changed the expression priority of the parent constraint from 0 to 10
                                        and the eyes stay where they belong

                                        VOODOO

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                                        • Dr. Sassi
                                          Dr. Sassi last edited by

                                          Hi schnoidl,

                                          Thanks for opening a ticket and great that this was easy to solve.

                                          I wonder why my file (that I shared above) worked here and not on your side.

                                          Anyway, case closed, and enjoy your project.

                                          Dr. Sassi Sassmannshausen Ph.D.
                                          Senior Trainer, Maxon Master Trainer, L&D - Strategist
                                          Cinema 4D mentor since 2004, Member of VES, DCS.

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                                            schnoidl last edited by

                                            Hi, thanks again for your help. I am still recovering but it was delivered

                                            https://youtu.be/t0jx3hJgOQQ

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