Hi MaverickMongoose,

Thanks for the file. Please take a look to see what happens first. Go to Attribute Manager> Mode> Scene> Simulation> Simulation>
Draw> Enable and Rigid Body Shapes.

Screenshot 2025-10-16 at 11.12.12 PM.jpg

Screenshot 2025-10-16 at 11.20.58 PM.jpg

Doesn't look good? Correct.

To fix this, go to the Cloner> Transform> Rotation to zero degrees.

Now run the sim again. Should work now.

You might know this, but just in case, you'll get better results if the Collision shape is set to Triangle instead of Auto.

Cheers

Hi MaverickMongoose,

Thanks for the two files.

I rendered a preview, and it appears differently (in terms of timing) from my editor view.

You certainly have different hardware, so I assume your results might differ from what I see.

The timeline being set to All Frames means it provides the next Frame when the one in work is finished. Hence, the preview render as timing control can't be ignored. (Not using all frames will not build up the effects needed here, so the setting is OK, but the amount of data turns off the real-time, at least here.)

Check the Main Menu> Windows> Object Profiler. Run the Scene.
I can see that the Cloner alone takes times of 500+ ms, and if other processes in the background (not Cinmea 4D) kick in, I saw even higher values.
https://help.maxon.net/c4d/2026/en-us/Default.htm#html/Object_Profiler.html

If you have 24 fps, then it easily exceeds the one second that would allow for real-time playback. When the numbers are produced Per Frame, then it is 24 times that duration. Yes, that might not be real-time anymore.

Is this answering your questions?

All the best

Thanks for the feedback, MaverickMongoose.

I'm glad you found what you needed.

My best wishes for your project.

Thanks for the reply, MaverickMongoose.

You may also explore the Attribute Manager> Mode> Scene> Simulation> Simulation> Steps.

Think of a sphere on your table, a real metal sphere, and a real table, how often would you estimate the sphere tests if the table provides resistance to go through? [∞?]

Since we most likely do not have a supercomputer farm running our simulation, the forces an object has to collide with another are tested a few times, but surely not infinitely. So when the motion of an object is fast, it might test for no collision, but when the next test happens, it is already beyond the collision point. Well, that is also not that simple, as a sphere collides with points above the collision surface halfway through. Therefore, the sampling or steps need to be higher to prevent this from happening, as it can become stuck partially inside an object.

If there is a high velocity, it appears to be messing with gravity, but it is reaching only a speed that is too fast for the steps to be successful in determining a collision. The search radius is a helpful feature, providing an early warning (simplified).

I avoid mentioning the substep option early, as it changes the course of the outcome.

Cheers

Thank you very much for the feedback, MaverickMongoose,

My best wishes for your project.

Thanks for the reply, MaverickMongoose.

Yes, I had a manual approach in mind, but, yes, to shape with Liquid a specific shape that shows a little motion is just too tempting.
It needs a lot a particles to define the star-like profile. I explored it this week, got some reference footage, and noticed that it is not just that simple 720º helix.

I hope it produces even manual success for you.

Cheers

Thanks for the input, MaverickMongoose.

Please add that to your ticket. (I can't do that, sorry)

Yes, mid project, never update if there is no urgent reason.

My best wishes for your project.

Great, thank you, MaverickMongoose, for your reply!

I'm glad this works for your project!

Enjoy!

You're very welcome, MaverickMongoose.

If you find a problem, please mention it in a ticket, so it can be worked on.
https://www.maxon.net/en/support-center

Thanks for sharing your findings.

Cheers

All the best

Hi MaverickMongoose,

Thanks for the reply

Yes, from your perspective, but sometimes it might be useful to have the initial state as well.
I agree that the decision should be a checkbox and not require extra steps.

Enjoy your project

Thank you very much, MaverickMongoose!

I also used the little Planes, with a selection of edges, to have an Edge to Spline. Which I then merged and connected.

I wish you lots of success with your project.

You're very welcome, MaverickMongoose.

Yes, it is a powerful option, and I hope we find a way to exchange solutions.

My best wishes

Hi tower-clue,

Please open a new thread. Follow-up questions, even similar ones, will render the forum less readable.
Think of the initial poster comes back with a question of the initial problem, it might be hard to find.

There is always an option to link threads if they become related.

CV4_2025_drs_MGfe_01.c4d
CV4_2025_drs_MGfe_02.c4d
Any questions about this, please in a new thread.

Thank you.

Thank you very much for your kind feedback, MaverickMongoose,

I will, and I hope you have a great time as well.

All the best

You're very welcome, MaverickMongoose.

Thank you for the feedback

Cheers

Thanks for the feedback, MaverickMongoose.

My best wishes for your project

Thank you for the reply, Maverick Mongoose, for the feedback.

If something takes too long, perhaps explore the scene with the Main Menu> Window> Object Profiler
https://help.maxon.net/c4d/2025/en-us/Default.htm#html/Object_Profiler.html

My best wishes.

This is very kind of you, MaverickMongoose.

Have a great weekend

Thanks for the feedback, Maverick Mongoose.

Perfect!

Enjoy your project.

Hi point-year,

Thank you very much for your reply. I'm glad it is working for you.

Enjoy!