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Hi Georg,

There was accidentally some other text in this post (a book review note) that I had in my Grammar check, please ignore it and if you like, please delete the email. Thank you.

Thanks for the footage.
Please, no unknown cloud services. I'm not familiar with miro•com. I will not touch it.
If you could share the storyboard with Wetransfer, that would be cool. Thanks for the extra effort.

I have checked the Bahnsteig (train station) Footage.
Please have a look here:
https://stcineversityprod02.blob.core.windows.net/$web/Cineversity_Forum_Support/2023_PROJECTS_DRS/20231209_CV4_2024_drs_23_TRbs_01.zip
0547_Bahnsteig_padding.jpg

I have invested quite a few hours, and the closest I can get with it is based on keeping the tracking point all in the middle area, left to right.
As Rolling Shutter is typically a vertical time difference, the horizontal use of a small strip helps to limit the problem.

When you look at the walk area in the front, there are many compression artifacts, as mp4 also has the idea that "Dark Tones" do not matter so much. The Tracker believes it is information from the surface.
With this and all I have mentioned above, it is unwise to take a lens distortion map from any footage when so many artifacts are included, but I did it anyway to get anything done.

To say that you don't want to work with any treatment of lens distortion is just not an option. End of the story -- sorry, no discussion when a lens with distortion is used, like this one here. In the mix with rolling shutter, stabilization (best guess based on the spikes in the F-Curve), mp4 artifacts (blocks and motion)
Since I write in a forum, I share details that anyone reading along should have.
This is not the first time in my over 17 years running this forum to get a request for help after the shooting is done. This is not how it works. The blueprint phase is where the storyboard is done, and from there, all people who could help brainstorm about it. This is the cheap phase, where nothing is set in stone, and things can be designed to work well.
Yes, I get that the lens-distortion workflow is not simple, and quite frankly, while we talk along a whole pipeline, that needs some knowledge. Red Giant has a solution for many apps, but all for 2D work.

There is also not a lot of correct data about the Lens-distortion profile and Padding available. If the image is rendered larger, the camera must be adjusted so a wider field of view correctly produces the extra pixels. But, and this is super important, the Lens-distortion profile used for the un-padded image can't (!) be used for the padded version, as it would be applied to the larger image and would not work correctly for the original image area.
Padding_and_Modelmovement.jpg

In your case, the scene needs to be more significant as the needed distortion for the 3D rendering makes things smaller. The 6144-pixel wide suggestion is for the train station, as even 6K does not cover the corners completely. Those Padding workflows are (again) not simple and need care. See the image below; the red area is the Padding here. (Why always these screaming colors? So it is not accidentally overlooked during deadline stress)

Let this all sink in for a while. I believe it klicks at one point, and then it is fun to do.

Sometimes, it might be useful to set this up as camera mapping, especially with the train station, As the train running through will cover a lot and take all the attention.

One tip, if there is nothing in the scene itself that moves, move the camera much slower; the "factor of slower" is pretty much the "factor of less Rolling Shutter".

Here is a little example, since it is late, I stopped for the last few seconds the train.
https://stcineversityprod02.blob.core.windows.net/$web/Cineversity_Forum_Support/2023_Clips_DRS/Bahnsteig_2b.mp4

This was a long day, close to midnight here in L.A., and a Saturday. I call it a day.

All the best

Hi Dutchbird,

A similar setup with perhaps some primitives might help. No promises, but I'm happy to dive into it.

Cheers

Thank you very much, Future-Craft.

I have long requested the Camera Tag back, as it will help to use any scene that worked with the Standard Camera and keep it more backward compatible. Besides, it worked well with the Camera Tag, and I didn't mind the tag at all.

But I assume minimal backup for this request came from the "Share Your Idea" option, and so less success for this wish so far …
https://www.maxon.net/en/support-center

My best wishes

Thanks for the feedback, cross-roll.

Yes, please feel free to open as many new forum threads as you need. I'm happy to look into them.

Cheers

Hi Andrew,

There are four main options to do it.

I have called them Object, Child Constrain, and Weight here, and I'm sure there are a dozen other names available.
The key idea here is, first of all, what fits well into your comfort zone.
I think there is no "best practice" from someone else; it must fit your idea of working. The more you explore, the more options might appear to do the same thing (result-wise). Best practice is, from my point of view, subjective. If one knows only one option, then this is their best practice?

The question is, how do you find what fits?

There is often a split between rigging and animating in Character Animation, especially in studio setups. The one rigging things should do anything that keeps the animator focused on the art of expression, not the art of selecting and moving.

However, if you need the rig only for a single short take, optimizing it would be a waste of time. Therefore, the rigging should be more comfortable.

If the parts of the character (including mechanical) are not final, and the art director or client likes to change things, a very integrated rig might be an obstacle. If the exchange is easy, joints and character are not one large hierarchy, and they have many dependencies on each other (both ways), then the rig with the easiest way to exchange parts will win.
If your character has to move along a larger pipeline or to different apps, then simplicity and standard tools are key.

Yes, I do not tell you what to do or what is best, as this would go against the idea of finding what is best for you and in which circumstances.
You will find a favorite among the four standards and perhaps even mix a new one. I'm sure you will have minimal problems finding what is needed, and then it is yours, not someone else's favorite.

(Of course, Joints have some advantages over other skeleton hierarchies.)

One tip: Always follow the information. With rigs, the Axis of an object might be important to place wisely.

Screenshot 2024-03-19 at 2.18.23 PM.jpg

CV4_2024_drs_24_CAop_01.c4d

I hope that helps.

My best wishes for your project

Yes, you are spot on, bottle-anywhere!

That is pretty much the way it should go.

Cheers

Hi percentage-hole, hi duty-angle,

Would you share in public which URL specifically is cleared in your firewall?

Perhaps check with support and mention that the problem was solved between the 14th and 17th of July this year.
https://www.maxon.net/en/support-center
Anyway, perhaps open a ticket with your problem; when I read that many Adobe URLs are in question, perhaps your case is different.

Sorry that I do not have any better data.

Cheers

Hi Javier,

Yes, please check with tech support.

Edit:
I can reproduce it now here (Unreal 5.3.2)
I will write a report
/edit
Fingers crossed it is solved in no time.

When I use the DataSmith import I get no alerts with 5.4.3

Have a great weekend

Hi tie-version

Here is a complex setup, but hopefully, a way to make it work for you
(it is my day off, but I'm happy to look more into it tomorrow)

Please explore the file.
CV4_2024_drs_24_MOeb_01.c4d

Here is what I get placing an X into an extrude, hence I need your file. 🙂
CV4_2024_drs_24_MOxb_01.c4d

I would need a file from you, just the Spline from the CROW image. Even the W is fine. That should be small and able to be uploaded here as a c4d file, no zip.
(Images tell what is going wrong but not why. So please, a c4D file with the Spline; thank you.

Cheers

Thank you so much, sport-master, and thanks for your great collaboration!

I will explore this problem and write a report. This should not happen. I'm glad we wound it, but I'm sorry you had to endure it.

Enjoy your weekend.

You're very welcome, schnoidl.

Good luck the the project!

Thank you very much for your reply, rent-crash.

Have a great week as well.

Thanks for the reply, reading the card,

Is that a changing selection of a fixed one? If fixed, you could select the polygons, then invert those (U~I) and create a new selection.

Nodes are, so far I can tell, mainly targeting "Capsule" development. From my point of view, it is a Technical Director option. I do not see it as a target to replace the modeling tools. (I put an equivalent of IMHO in each time to clarify that this might not be the official idea.)

Tutorials:
https://www.cineversity.com/vidplaytut/scene_nodes_-_technology_preview_distibutions_cloning_with_nodes

I have taken a three-volume course from Core4D.com, which a colleague did. I can't find it in the store currently. Perhaps ask.
https://www.core4d.com/ipb/store/

All the best

Yes, Greg, exactly.

Once you have done it, it is relatively simple, considering its effect.

Thanks for your feedback. I love the little 60-second clips. They are like drawing to me; one must "see" to guide the hand. When it hits the "canvas", you own it. 🙂

Enjoy

The whole line, not just the blue part. Right.

Anyway, that there is any problem at all excludes this stuff from being used.

https://www.dropbox.com/s/zzogadmzsfcfu05/Connecting_two_walls_1.mp4?dl=0
https://www.dropbox.com/s/0wntx0gyv1ofa5r/Connecting_two_walls_2.mp4?dl=0

Sorry about that.

You're very welcome, smckenzie.

Yes, many way, each has it strength.

If I find something faster, I will post it.

Have a great weekend.

You're very welcome, smckenzie.
That is very kind of you.

I share whatever I know, and I don't hold back. I need to know what is needed. Sometimes there is no way; sometimes, there are many.

Besides, sharing solutions is much more fun than hitting a roadblock.

My best wishes

Thank you, shine-negative.

Enjoy your Sunday

Thank you again, HeyPaul!

I'm certainly happy to support your exploration. I keep my impression of learning a new app fresh by constantly starting to learn something new. It helps me to improve and helps to avoid forgetting how each new exploration feels. I hope that allows you to ask without any hesitation.

Thanks for understanding my focus on the project files; this is great.

My best wishes

@regular-river I can't find that plugin. If you're looking, for CV-Splines, you can download it here: https://www.cineversity.com/vidplaytut/cv-splines_hanging_wires_chains_and_arches_with_cv-splines_3.0