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Hi jesfrigon,

Since I have no idea about your setup, the question's answer could be very long and just guesses. This is not what I do here. I do not answer from memory when I have a file, nor without testing if that works with the current version. Your 16GB excludes this sadly.

To get to 16GB seems odd, but again, perhaps that is what you need if your setup is not possible in another way.

This leads me to problem-solving strategies, which are the skills that 3D artists need to have.
Here are a few: (Surely not complete.)

• Reverse Engineer: Deconstructing the Problem.
• Algorithmic Approach: Step-by-Step Solutions.
• Pattern Recognition: Finding the Underlying Structure.
• Hypothesis Test: Proving or Disproving Assumptions.
• Constraint Analysis: Working Within Limits.
• Root Cause Analysis: Digging to the Core.
• Scenario Planning: Preparing for All Outcomes.
• Prioritization Protocol: Focusing on What Matters.
• Simplification Strategy: Reducing Complexity.
• Visualization Technique: Seeing the Solution.

What happens if… is one core question here.

One method is checking the backup sequence you typically get while setting up a large project.
When the size jumped is an indicator.

Another method is to create a copy and delete all parts that you suspect are driving the size up, saving it into a new file, and checking the size.

Could a different method of creating the scene (RS Proxy, XRef) have been used as a problem-solving question?
Perhaps we should avoid using Vertext maps and use image-based maps.

Are all the details needed, e.g., the Foreground, Middle Ground, background evaluation, and Level of Detail, or even 3D with image replacement?

Typically, I ask for a file, but I will not download anything larger than a few hundred MB, which is surely not a 16GB file. Just to avoid work on your side.

Create a new scene, save incrementally while building up a mini version of the scene, and, as mentioned above, check when the size jumps. With that jump, typically, one of the reasons is clear.
Please search for an alternative, (Sprites/Cards, Digital Matte painting for Background. etc. Since I don't know where you created 16GB of Data, which might unfold even more when opened, you need to explore that)
Perhaps switching off all Generators and keeping the Time slider at zero while clearing Chaches will also help. (Yes, that is the guessing part, and I stop here.

If that has found a solution, move on and see if the steps towards completing your mini setup create similar jumps in size. Repeat.

All the best

Hi Pim,

The Fracture Object is needed to get Single Clones from the Sweep. I produced the Path (for the Sweep) with the Cloner and then used the Sweep. This is a needed step if the Sweep Profile should stay the same diameter but the Path diameter grows.
The Fracture takes it apart to access the ID.

The number of objects, in which way, the ones visible pre-frame or in total over time, and from which file? If you have the Forumla only here in mind, use a Cloner. (Do I get the question at all correctly?)

The Constant Frame, in the file set to ten frames. If they should progress faster use a smaller number.

Let me know if that clears the questions.

The formula
(pow(2;trunc($1/$2)))*$3
It is a Power function, that has one variable as Truncate in it. The $-numbers are the input values.
I'm sure you are aware of this information, but for anyone reading along, and is new to it:
https://help.maxon.net/c4d/2024/en-us/Default.htm#html/6194.html

All the best

Hi Pim,

In the scene, you have two needs: Progressively vanishing polygons and producing particles only on the event horizon when polygons disappear.

In the first half of the screen capture, I show what happens if that is not limited to the particular line.

In this way, two Fields take over each of the needs.

The one for Particles is used in the Polygon Selection to define where the Surface Emitter should produce new particles.
Example
CV4_2024_drs_24_PAme_01.c4d

Let me know if that helped.

Cheers

Hi chapter-potato,

First of all, please DO NOT use the site-issue for Q&A question. Please clear your access here on the Site issue forum. Thank you. I will move this to the Q&A forum.

I can see that you have either N-ons or triangles for the caps.

This is the first thing I would change. See example. Is that always the best setting (Phong tag, Spline Interpolation, etc.)? No, it depends.

The spline Mask is tricky; if the set-up was done quickly, you need to check every frame. A problem can also arise if the two splines are not 100.00% on the same "plane." There are many guesses, some of which could be avoided with a file.

Typically, I would need a file; images tell me too little and often show a symptom only.

You need to ask your render-farm provider if they have the current version installed. In addition to my suggestion not to use N-Gons during render time, the Phong options have changed. If the render farm runs an older version, that can be a reason—just a wise guess.

Please check the options for the Phong tag here
https://help.maxon.net/c4d/2024/en-us/Default.htm#html/TPHONG-ID_TAGPROPERTIES.html#PHONGTAG_STYLE
… and for the caps, the Tessellation here:
https://help.maxon.net/c4d/2024/en-us/Default.htm#html/OMOGRAPH_TEXT-ID_CAPSANDBEVELS.html?Highlight=caps

Perhaps use the file below for some text about the render farm. Perhaps their support does this for you if they like to deliver quality and things like your file results in something you surely shouldn't endure.

CV4_2024_drs_24_RSrf_01.c4d

My best wishes

You're very welcome, life-board,

Enjoy your project!

Thank you for the feedback, history-growth.

If anyone likes to read the next follow up:
https://cineversity.forums.maxon.net/topic/1070/split-up-a-sentence-into-cloned-text-objects

Hi touch-soup,

If the workaround mentioned in the post above is not working for you, please get in touch with tech support.
https://www.maxon.net/en/support-center

Thank you very much, and sorry for your trouble.

My best wishes

Hi creative-juice,

Use the Emitter as an Object in the Cloner.
(The scene has the Emitter stop at Frame 36)
CV4_2024_drs_24_MGpr_01.c4d

Start and let play the scene, then stop when it looks good.

Click on the Cloner, then:
Object Manager> Object> (Modify)> Current State to Object

Connecting and deleting could be another step.

Enjoy

Hi Greg,

Thanks for getting my intention.

My best wishes

Thanks a lot, MaverickMongoose; very kind of you.

Sorry for the bragging, but I like to share the "source" of my knowledge.

If you would like some book suggestions, my favorite Color Science book is from Micheal S. Tooms, but the Mark D. Fairchild book has a huge value. It's not a "light" read, but after working through those, things look different. 😉 Pioneers Of Colorscience is a Who is who of this field.

Screen Shot 2023-12-16 at 9.12.29 PM.png

My suggestion is to read Tooms first. If something is unclear, check it in Fairchild's Book; if it needs to be deeper, The Pioneers of Color Science will hopefully close the gap.
Then read the second book, check the third to close new gaps, and go through the third one to finish. This will set a good base.

Sadly, these books are not free.

Enjoy

Thank you, MaverickMongoose,

Yes, that is certainly not OK.

That is the side effect of rewriting the whole core for speed, IMHO.

We will get back to normal soon.

Thanks for your patience

Cheers

You're very welcome, entry-newspaper.

Let me know if you encounter any obstacles.

Cheers

You're very welcome, Craig.

My best wishes for the project!

Thanks Scott_SP.,

I don't feel like your questions have anything in it that would make me feel that way.

The simplest way to understand the Formula effector is to put just a number into the formula field. When you use a 1.0, all parameters and results of the effector will have 100% (if not limited by other sliders in the Cloner, for example, or Fields). So, if you place a 0.5, you get half of the values. Even the gray value (Cloner Color -Transform- set to black)

Each Clone typically has an ID. Which are integer numbers, like 1 or 6 [not 1.3 or 6.1]. You wanted to have four clones, so I used the Modulo to divide it by four, which gives me the remainder. As a result, you get four gray values.

These four gray values are fed then into the Colorizer or Ramp to translate them to Color.

That would give you a static result. So I use the f -slider, and since that is a Real number (6.1, for example) and animation would not blend from one color to the next, hens the Formula, which cuts the .1 from 6.1 (for example) away. This means it adds only full integer numbers, creating a running light.

The gray values are not easy to predict for the editor and rendering simultaneously, as we have gamma and linear values in the game; hence, I suggest rendering to see what happens. To have linear values in the display is not easy to work with. So we have to deal with both

All the best

Hi Adrian,

This looks to me like a 4x4 matrix. In other words, one would create combinations that result in a square of one or the same size as a package of a few. Those packages are then set as Child Objects under a Cloner with a Random distribution. Different S.Y [scale], or 90º rotational increments for each 4x4, will increase the variety.

All the best

P.S.: Perhaps not using the PolyFX at all, and my workaround:

CV4_2023_drs_23_MGhx_02.c4d

Would that work for you?

Main steps: Select N-Gon edge, then Disconnect. The Thicken Object is optional.

Screen Shot 2023-06-30 at 6.31.09 PM.jpg

Thanks a lot, MaverickMongoose.

Enjoy your project

Hi fordmar,

I asked for the option to use "c4d', and we got a little over 1MB as the max upload. Zips are banned, as they can contain malware.

Use the letter icon on the right, near the image.

Enjoy

You're are too kind, background-permit. 🙂

Let me know if you need something else.

My best wishes for your project

Hi Fluidmotion,

Thanks for the file!

I usually place the rnd(value; seed) into Formula fields, like rnd(123;456). However, if stable results are required, I can confirm that this is not working with the MoSpline.

I have to file a report about it.

Two option. Place a Create> Spline> Empty Spline into the Destination field, and at the exact moment you have a setup you like, switch the MoSpline off. Perhaps even clear the Destination field.
Of course, the Object Manager> Object> Current State To Object will do the same. But if the Spline (Segment) is used somewhere else, the CSTO option requires connecting the new results.

Setting it up via a Cloner and a Random Effector (set to Random Indexed) might allow for some workaround.
CV4_2023_drs_23_MGms_01.c4d

I'm curious what the reply to the report will be and if a fix is soon available.

All the best